j"1LAnZuoQdcKCkpDBKQMCgziGMoPC4VQUckM<div class="post"><div class="quoteheader"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.msg27834#msg27834">Quote from: theymos on December 07, 2010, 07:23:34 PM</a></div><div class="quote"><div class="quoteheader"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.msg27787#msg27787">Quote from: ribuck on December 07, 2010, 04:51:20 PM</a></div><div class="quote">OK, here goes. My design for DomainChain builds on many of the ideas expressed here already. My main contribution is to remove "generation" from the design. It turns out that relying only on transaction fees makes everything very much simpler, and makes it easy to piggyback DomainChain onto Bitcoin.<br/></div><br/>Nanotube and I have been working on a DNS spec that is quite similar to yours. We had hoped to have a private RFC period, but since your proposal is so close, we decided to just publish what we have now.<br/><br/><a href="http://privwiki.dreamhosters.com/wiki/Bitcoin_DNS_System_Proposal">http://privwiki.dreamhosters.com/wiki/Bitcoin_DNS_System_Proposal</a><br/><br/>Some sort of expiration is required, preferably a short one (the 52,000 blocks used currently in this spec is probably too big). Having a short expiration requires everyone to rebroadcast their messages, which solves two problems at once:<br/>- With an expiration of <i>x</i>, you can build a complete DNS database by downloading only the most recent <i>x</i> blocks. Having an unlimited expiration would require you to download the entire block chain, which will eventually become several terabytes in size.<br/>- Spent transactions more than <i>y</i> blocks deep can be completely forgotten from the network. The value of <i>y</i> is currently unknown, but I expect it to be between 5,000 and 52,000. Messages need to be rebroadcast at least this frequently to stay alive if you want to use the convenient one-coin-per-domain system.<br/><br/><div class="quoteheader">Quote</div><div class="quote">If they receive coins that are associated with a domain name registration they will see them as coins.</div><br/>You can't receive non-standard transactions if you don't know the format (even if it just has some OP_DROP data). Normal clients will ignore such transactions.<br/></div><br/>I read your draft bitcoin DNS spec Nanotube and theymous...very interesting. And it's fascinating that ribuck also came up with a very similar design independently. I like the idea of piggybacking bitDNS on top of bitcoin. However, putting the domain name registration requests inside of bitcoin transactions as a message does cause concern about compatibility, should the bitcoin developers decide to remove that feature in the future for security or other reasons. I would suggest, maybe is it possible to have the domain name registration request message be not included directly inside the bitcoin transaction, and instead use some cryptogrphic properties of the block be used to index to a bitcoin registration request message? For example, somehow have the hash of the transaction/block be directly indexable to a DNS registration request? In which case, the information about the sender and receiver of the DNS registration request would be embedded in the hash such that it proves that address X is the owner of that DNS registration request? Thus the bandwidth/traffic of domain name table info/requests would only be paid by those clients who are engaged in domain name registration.<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.msg27834#msg27834">Quote from: theymos on December 07, 2010, 07:23:34 PM</a></div><div class="quote">Some sort of expiration is required, preferably a short one (the 52,000 blocks used currently in this spec is probably too big). Having a short expiration requires everyone to rebroadcast their messages, which solves two problems at once:<br/>- With an expiration of <i>x</i>, you can build a complete DNS database by downloading only the most recent <i>x</i> blocks. Having an unlimited expiration would require you to download the entire block chain, which will eventually become several terabytes in size.<br/>- Spent transactions more than <i>y</i> blocks deep can be completely forgotten from the network. The value of <i>y</i> is currently unknown, but I expect it to be between 5,000 and 52,000. Messages need to be rebroadcast at least this frequently to stay alive if you want to use the convenient one-coin-per-domain system.<br/></div><br/>Expiration fixes the "problem" of domain names being lost for eternity. <del>My question is, what are the relative benifits/disadvantages of using a block count based expiration (e.g. 52,000 blocks) versus a time-based expiration (e.g. 1 year)? I would think a time-based expiration would make more sense for average people to understand, since they will know that after a certain fixed period of time, they will need to renew their domain, and can set that in their calendar, instead of being completely unaware if the block count reaches some number?</del> Never mind...I get it...52,000 blocks is approximately the number of blocks that should be produced in 1-year time assuming a rate of 1 block/10 minutes is maintained.<br/><br/><br/><div class="quoteheader"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.msg27851#msg27851">Quote from: kiba on December 07, 2010, 08:23:58 PM</a></div><div class="quote"><div class="quoteheader"><a href="https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.msg27847#msg27847">Quote from: Hal on December 07, 2010, 08:06:02 PM</a></div><div class="quote">My concern is that there would be a rush to grab hot domains. I would expect that the first blocks generated with this system will all be maximum size and filled with the equivalent of sex.com. These domain names are worth millions of dollars, if the system succeeds. I suppose transaction fees would be enormous, otherwise miners will just fill blocks with their own registrations. Ordinary transactions would be crowded out, if this were part of Bitcoin.<br/></div><br/>Speculation is natural; even healthy. <br/></div><br/>What Kiba said. Speculation is a part of any world where there are limited resources. Speculation allows the market to come to a subjective valuation of the unknown value of such resources. The speculator takes a risk by buying domains (even if it is just an opportunity cost), and that risk is entirely held by the speculator.<br/><br/></div> text/html
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